Impatient clients

[Zoltan Bertok]

My young clients are impatient. They do not want to wait 3 years for a PR visa. A large proportion of them are interested in coming over here as students of cheap courses while waiting in the GSM queue. A few of them have arrived already.

[Sheelagh Blanckenberg]

That's a tough one Zoltan.

What are you advising them -that is if you get a chance to provide any advice before they just arrive?

An expensive and extreme option with international student fees being so high plus the costs of keeping body and soul together while on a course and all other ancillary costs.

What is motivating them to take this chance - are things so bad in their home countries or do they perceive it is a risk worth taking?

[Zoltan Bertok]

What is motivating them to take this chance - are things so bad in their home countries or do they perceive it is a risk worth taking?
- A wealth of information about international student's life in Australia. The main sources being the blogs.
- Reliable information about incomes, job opportunities, etc.
- Access to education agents overseas who are able to suggest the right courses and provide adequate accommodation for a competitive price.
- Reasonable hope, that the whole adventure will have a happy end with the PR visa. After all they applied in the GSM program. It is likely to produce an outcome, if slowly.
- A very strong Eastern-European sentiment, which suggests, that only idiots are queuing up at the front door, while the clever are entering through the back door. Those who wait will be turned away, anyhow. History taught us, that this is the usual course of events. Nothing suggests that this one will be different.

[Glenn Pereira]

Hi Zoltan,

Had a Hungarian student in Melbourne who has been enrolled for ELICOS for 12 months. In my opinion a gross error.

I am willing to take Hungarian students into my Institute.

On 572 they come under level 2

With Join eCOE VET & bachelor they come under level 1 and hence could travel on ETA check the place and make a decision to join a course, change their visa on-shore.

No IELTS for both level 1 & 2

regards
Glenn Pereira

[Sheelagh Blanckenberg]

- A wealth of information about international student's life in Australia. The main sources being the blogs.
- Reliable information about incomes, job opportunities, etc.
- Access to education agents overseas who are able to suggest the right courses and provide adequate accommodation for a competitive price.
- Reasonable hope, that the whole adventure will have a happy end with the PR visa. After all they applied in the GSM program. It is likely to produce an outcome, if slowly.
- A very strong Eastern-European sentiment, which suggests, that only idiots are queuing up at the front door, while the clever are entering through the back door. Those who wait will be turned away, anyhow. History taught us, that this is the usual course of events. Nothing suggests that this one will be different.


I can understand their sentiments.

And your analogy about the idiots queuing at the front door while others enter via the back is spot on for many Asian cultures as well. I call it being 'pro-active ' with your life - those who want something badly enough will find a way to get it.

Seems like you need to put them Glenn's way. As you know Glenn has run his Institute for years, is highly regarded by many if not all in the VET sector and is very well known in the student market in Victoria as well as by DIAC. If your clients want to do this then they need to make sure they sign up with an outfit that knows what they are doing. Glenn is one of the best around.

Cheers
Sheelagh

[Glenn Pereira]

Thanks Sheelagh.

The VEt on-shore will stay with major changes once the clean up takes place likely from next week.

However it will be 2 yrs course including Cert III to TR (18 months work expeirence in Nominated occupation) and then PR.

regards
Glenn Pereira

[Robert K Chelliah]

Hi Zoltan,

Had a Hungarian student in Melbourne who has been enrolled for ELICOS for 12 months. In my opinion a gross error.

I am willing to take Hungarian students into my Institute.

On 572 they come under level 2

With Join eCOE VET & bachelor they come under level 1 and hence could travel on ETA check the place and make a decision to join a course, change their visa on-shore.

No IELTS for both level 1 & 2

regards
Glenn Pereira

Glenn I dont do students visa, except for the ocaasional ones or the MRT appeals. Is there a danger that PR elegibilty and education may well be delinked not so far in the future. If that happens what will happen to all the students who are enrolling for courses with the prime purpose of PR status .

Scarry.

Robert K chelliah

[Glenn Pereira]

Hi Robert,

-2 years course (including 1 yr Trade Course)
-IELTS 6

-applicant applies for 18 months TR

-Applicant has to demonstrate with pay slips and Tax that he/she has worke din the nominated occupation to be eligible for pR.

this will come into force on 1st Jan 2010 (900 hrs will be abloished)

AFTER THE CLEAN UP THERE WILL BE:

UNIVERSITIES
GOVERNMENT TAFE
a few reputed Private VEt Providers

RMAs should move to student visa and student on-shore GSM.

Education Agents will be regulated. VEt providers will have to work only with Registered Education agents or RMA

Regards
Glenn Pereira

[Silent Observer]

Thanks Glenn, that's interesting news.

Do you think the report posted in another thread about the youth unemployment rate in Australia rising and migration being partly to blame, will have any impact on these changes you state will happen?

The education sector is massive - dual second/third with tourism I understand - so lots of vested interests to keep it in operation. How to do this and not affect our youngsters?

SO

[Glenn Pereira]

The On-Shore Student Industry must survive to keep the economy going. Australia also needs India for Trade.


here is the ESOS amendment which will give the Regulatory authority the "instant" power to shut down "dodgy" Institutes

http://www.aph.gov.au/Senate/committee/eet_ctte/esos/report/index.htm

the new Off-shore polcy will be targeted to skills in short supply.


Ms. Gillard announced today A $ 100 m training plan for our youth.

Regards
Glenn Pereira

[Robert K Chelliah]

Glenn, students will continue to scam. After spending a huge sums of borrowed money for their two or three years of studies, and yet unable to get an employer to employ them for 18 months students will revert to scaming with the connivement of complicit employers. WITHOUT experience and not certain the employers' investment of 18 months training will lead to permamncy of both PR status or the student remaining with the employer will not lead to a smooth transition. Where there is a regulatory requirements scams will flourish.

Student will be compelled to compromise their work (industrial realtions) rights just to tolerate the 18 months.Australian students will demand they be given priority in employement with the support of the Union. The Minsiter is now asking for attestations from empl;oyers that they will employ Australians first and spend a good sum of their income to train local Australians. I can see some students paying the tax and creating payslips on behalf of the employers, just to meet the 18 months "genuine" employment like the 900 hours was. And the scam goes on.

I still think the students will not be the main source of skills for the Australian resource driven growth vehicle. Relevant experience with immediately employable skills imported from overseas under 457 (later converted under 856 on a proven basis ) would be the framework for future migration agents.


Robert k Chelliah

[Sheelagh Blanckenberg]

Ms. Gillard announced today A $ 100 m training plan for our youth.

Thanks Glenn for this info.

Are there details of what sort of training this $100 million is going towards?

[Sheelagh Blanckenberg]

I still think the students will not be the main source of skills for the Australian resource driven growth vehicle. Relevant experience with immediately employable skills imported from overseas under 457 (later converted under 856 on a proven basis ) would be the framework for future migration agents.

I agree Robert. Chris Evans has made no secret of his preference for employers sponsored visas being the way of the future in migration. So one has to question his bringing in the stringent and punitive legislation which is currently in place for 457 sponsors - the changes are not going to be too helpful in promoting his vision which is a pity.

Policy has been high-jacked by the real lefties in government as well as the unions (of course) and while no-one wants or likes to see employees from overseas being exploited (the protection of whom is the explanation the government has given for making the changes), statistically speaking only a handful of employers do the wrong thing. Bringing in such stringent measures is akin to trying to crack an egg with a sledge-hammer! Way too heavy handed and unnecessary. All that was needed in my view was for money and human resources to be thrown by DIAC into monitoring and training of sponsors. Throwing the book at the deliberate baddies and educating those employers who unwittingly do the wrong thing.

The government is now going to have to woo back employers and encourage them to use 457s and the ENS scheme. Interesting time ahead.